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Hot Water Music

Forever And Counting

Doghouse 52

Released on December 29, 1998

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Average Customer Rating: 4.5 with 12 reviews (See Below)
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Song Titles
# Song Name Popularity
1 Translocation  9%
2 Better Sense  7%
3 Just Don't Say You Lost It Voted #1  18%
4 Position  10%
5 Rest Assured  5%
6 Manual Voted #2  17%
7 Minno Voted #3  15%
8 Three Summers Strong  13%
9 Man The Change  4%
10 Western Grace  4%
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David from Lemon Grove, CA 
Nov 26 2006 Rating: 5/5 Stars

This band has gained a lot of popularity for all the right reasons - they're great guys who make great music, and they toured constantly so everyone should have had a chance to see how amazing they were live atleast once or twice.

This is their second proper full length album after "Fuel for the Hate Game", not counting "Finding the Rhythms" which was really just a compilation of early material.

Forever and Counting is a personal favorite of mine. At a time in music when everyone seamed to be trying to do the fast-punk Fat Wreck Chords thing, HWM was creating a new sound that was ferocious, emotional, abbrasive, beautiful, and very energetic. Drawing inspiration from bands like Fugazi, Leatherface, Jawbreaker, Avail, Bruce Springstien, and the Clash, Hot Water helped create the "post-punk indie rock" scene that is thriving today.

You really can't go wrong with anything by HWM, but as a whole, this album just might be the best.

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John from Huntington, WV 
Jun 28 2005 Rating: 4/5 Stars

I love this record. It is truly one of my favorite HWM records. In this record they finnally started using some clean tone on their guitars which gives them a new dynamic compared to previous releases. The two best tracks in my opinion are "Three Summers Strong" and "Just Don't Say (You Lost It)".

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Stephen from Parry Sound, ON Canada 
Aug 12 2004 Rating: 5/5 Stars

I own all of the HWM cds to date and can never pick a favorite. I say that one is the best, then listen to another and change my mind. So I don't even try anymore. Every HWM cd is great. This cd in particular pulls together some intricate work. I don't give much credit to others who say that this is not as good as "fuel for the hate game". This album is just as good and is really just a transition from fuel. If you listen to live at the hardback and hear live the songs from this album as well as fuel you see that they are the same era. The only real change that HWM has ever made in playing style was when they went to epitaph, and they barely changed at all in doing that. These guys are going to keep doing what they do best, which is make albums that stay true to thier original style, namely a style that comes through intensely in this album. The songs from this cd are awesome and you have gotta know them and the songs from every other cd if you are going to be a true fan of HWM. If you buy this album you should not be displeased because you are getting good stuff and supporting one of the best bands ever.

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Eli from Pocatello, ID 
Jan 5 2004 Rating: 4/5 Stars

This is old school Hot Water Music. Hoarse vocals sung over each other, intricate guitar lines, and some cool bass riffs. It is not a clean as their Epitaph releases, which I am quite fond of as well. Good songs my favorite is Just Don't Say You Lost It.

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Brad from Tucson, AZ 
Dec 24 2003 Rating: 4/5 Stars

Not a bad CD, but buy "Fuel For The Hate Game" instead. If you already have it, then buy this before their crappy new releases on Epitaph. Yeah. Woo.

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Kent from Sumner, MI 
Aug 18 2003 Rating: 5/5 Stars

This is one of my least favorite HWM cds, but its still very good. Better sense, Minno, and 3 summers strong are my favorite songs.

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Greg from Elk Grove, IL 
May 29 2003 Rating: 5/5 Stars

Wow. This is my third Hot Water Music cd, and I already ordered Fuel For the Hate game, just after hearing this one. Let me say this. Hot WAter Music creates the most inspiring, uplifting, creative, unity music out there.

If I am to grade hard I would give this cd a 8.8 out of 10 I would give "No Division" a "9.5 out of 10" I would give "Caution a "9.7 out of the 10"

This is an amazing band, and they are not trying to impress everyone. Next to Bad Religion, and The Weakerthans, this is Epitaph's best band.

Hot Water Music fan forever

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Matthew from Loganville, GA 
Jan 21 2003 Rating: 4/5 Stars

of all hwm this is my third fav of all of em...i just like that they call themselves the hwm BAND on the cd cover, couple good tracks buy this b4 u get no division

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Sam from Olympia, WA 
Jun 11 2002 Rating: 5/5 Stars

WOW!! I can't stop listening to this album. The dual vocal harmonies are amazing, especially on "Manual". I can't yet compare it to much of their other work, since I only own this and "Finding the Rhythms," which this exceeds. The singers' voices are unconventional, not very "poppy" per se, but the emotion is genuine. I find myself obsessing over a different track each time I listen to this CD, but I usually come back to "Manual" and "Three Summers Strong." These songs showcase the dynamics the band incorporates into their songwriting and great interplay between the musicians. Don't hesitate to buy this album.

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Ryan from Townsville, Australia 
Oct 15 2001 Rating: 5/5 Stars

Forever and Counting is the undiscovered tresure of the HWM catalogue. All the elements of the band come together in full force; great dual vocals, hammering guitars, fantasic tempo changes and probably the best drumming of heard in recent memory. Although 'Fuel for the Hate Game' is considered their best to date, I still think this stands shoulder to shoulder with it.

 
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